i interviewed newt gingrich. he said the way it were with president clinton, you would be in a room full of advisers, you fling them out, it's you and him, get it done, compromise, get it done. why is that not happening now and what advice do you give to barack obama to try to get into that kind of mind set with the republicans? >> well, that's -- what speaker gingrich said is true, but it's not the whole truth. we had one year when virtually nothing got done. i was a stickler for passing my budgets on time. but, in 2005, we didn't. and i had to veto what they did. and they had to do what they did because that's what they promised the voters they would do in the '94 elections. then the citizens decided they agreed with me more than them. they don't want the government shut down or take a radical departure, just bring the deficit down. so after the two governments shut down in late '95 and early '96, then we began the compromise talks everyone talks about. there's been no forcing event so far. it's what the electi